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Does anyone know where I can learn/understand this grammar aspect? I am not sure what to call it… - Feed Post by SloanAkira

Does anyone know where I can learn/understand this grammar aspect? I am not sure what to call it or how to find sections. The "cha" casual conjugations. Here is an example : "って興味を持っちゃってる自分がいちゃった" You can see there's two 'cha' forms. If anyone point me where it talks about this conjugation, I'd very much appreciate it!
posted by SloanAkira

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  • Tsorovan
    I think what you're looking for is the ~てしまう conjugation. If that's the right one, then it'll be under the unintended actions section.
    There's an example that seems to match your quote near the bottom of that page.

    I could very well be horribly wrong, but I hope this will help.
  • mog86uk
    What my mind went through when I saw that '持っちゃってる'...

    もつ (持つ)
    → もち (ren'youkei)
    → もちて (+て auxiliary)
    → もって (contraction rule)
    → もってしまう (+しまう auxiliary verb)
    → もっちゃう (conversational contraction)
    → もっちゃい (ren'youkei)
    → もっちゃいて (+て auxiliary)
    → もっちゃって (contraction rule)
    → もっちゃっている (+いる auxiliary verb)
    → もっちゃってる (conversational contraction)

    持ってしまっている (standard form)
    持つ + て + 仕舞う + て + 居る

    I think this means I've spent too much time reading crazy grammar texts... Maybe I should go see a doctor! :P

    Basically, what Tsorovan said... ~ちゃう is the conversational contraction of ~て+しまう (same as ~てる is short for ~て+いる).

    So does that meant the end of the sentence 'いちゃった' is...
    いる → いて + しまう → いちゃう → いちゃった ?
  • Tsorovan
    Yes, I figured that いちゃった was the past tense of the casual いてしまう.

    By the way, could you explain that ren'youkei thing? It looks like it's just the vowel change you do at the first step of some conjugations.
  • SloanAkira
    Thank you so much, you guys! I didn't know. Looks like I have to backtrack on this one. I've seen it being used so often that I wondered how I missed it, but it seems like there's a very little coverage on this expression. Again, thank you!! I am going to keep your notes.
  • mog86uk
    Yeah, 連用形 (ren'youkei) is simply the name of that conjugation base form.

    I don't like using names like 'masu stem', 'i-ending', 'base 2', 'continuative form'... All of these are pretty confusing as to exactly what they are referring to, whereas 連用形 is very unambiguous.

    As I've spent so long reading grammar topics, I probably recognise the Japanese names of grammar terms better than I recognise basic Japanese words... 已然形 izenkei, 連用形 ren'youkei, 終止形 shuushikei, 連体形 rentaikei, 仮定形 kateikei, 命令形 meireikei ...


    http://kafkafuura.wordpress.com/classical-japanese/#basic (Classical Japanese conjugation bases)
  • mog86uk
    Oops. I made a mistake. I meant to put the irrealis form 未然形 (mizenkei) (for the ~a ending base). The realis 已然形 (izenkei) is an old Japanese verb conjugation base, which is now the 仮定形.

    I highly recommend that first wikipedia link I gave. It also mentions about ~てしまう / ~てちゃう too. ^^