Hello. I'm studying the language on my own. I learn kanji from Basic Kanji Book, but I'm looking… - Feed Post by Michal
Hello. I'm studying the language on my own. I learn kanji from Basic Kanji Book, but I'm looking for a book that would contain daily/everyday vocabulary, words that would help to communicate in daily conversations. Basic Kanji Book has thoose words and kanjis, but in the begging lessons contain kanjis for a bit wider themes. Any suggestions?
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The Kanjis are organized by level like in the Japanese Language Proficiency test. So it's recommended that you learn them in order so when you take the test you pass each level in order. Also the most common Kanji are taught first and more complicated Kanjis build from the simpler ones.
Yeah I totally understand that. I am preparing to N5 test, and I read somewhere that for this level you need to learn around 100 kanji. I already have gone through 300 kanji with Basic Kanji Book and recently bought a textbook preparing for N5 where I still find a lot kanjis that I don't know, that didn't appear in BKB so far. Besides that I wish to learn those most used kanjis just to be able to communicate in japanese in simple friend to friend like conversations.- I'm just looking for a textbook that would contain thoos simple conversations.
- I don't know exactly how it works but I got study materials for the N5 and it lists all the Kanji you need to know in order. There are several thousands so I don't think they would give you surprise Kanji because there's noway you could know them.
I think the problem is the test changed a while back because my study Materials are really old and they go from JLPT4 to JLPT1. In JLPT4 there's 390 Kanji you need to know. So maybe JLPT5 got added later. - PS For friendly conversations you don't need Kanji, unless you mean like in a written letter? It's probably impossible to estimate witch ones are normally use because formal Japanese uses Kanji for everything.
- About JLPT: there 5 levels now since 2010 or 2011 I think, and N5 is much easier than JLPT4 from 2009 and earlier.
I am just looking for books that would contain those conversation like in every book like Minna no nihongo where everything is about in greetings in the beginning, buying things at store end stuff, but I would need some more topics because most of the books are all about the easiet kanjis and there have very small amout of them (kuru, suru, au, gakusei and so on). So there is not much of going further than greetings, walking buying and going to eigakan. Not much progressing. - Why don't you just learn them in order like in the JLPT and eventually you'll know enough where you can be proficient reading?
I think with like 600Kanji you should be fine for casual reading, what do you think? - I am going to learn all kanjis I will need. So it's not a problem for me to learn 2000 kanjis. And it's not only about the kanjis but vocabulary also. I want to learn them as soon as possible so I would be able to practice speaking with somebody (skype or something). That's the main point. I should have mention before I want a book with daily vocabulary, not necessarily kanji.
So you are looking for books that deal with daily vocabulary. I have some stuff that I can recommend that you look into.
For books, I recommend looking into Japanese English Bilingual Visual Dictionary and Real Japanese: Learn to speak the same way Japanese kids do!. On last book, I will warn the book is all in romaji, but does casual speech patterns and vocab. Also, I did make Japanese supplement sheet for the first chapter containing all the words in Kana and Kanji that I could send to you.
I also know of a digital resource for vocab. The one free that I know of is the core 2000 deck for Anki, and it is all vocabulary and example sentences.- So you are looking for books that deal with daily vocabulary. I have some stuff that I can recommend that you look into.
For books, I recommend looking into Japanese English Bilingual Visual Dictionary and Real Japanese: Learn to speak the same way Japanese kids do!. On last book, I will warn the book is all in romaji, but does casual speech patterns and vocab. Also, I did make Japanese supplement sheet for the first chapter containing all the words in Kana and Kanji that I could send to you.
I also know of a digital resource for vocab. The one free that I know of is the core 2000 deck for Anki, and it is all vocabulary and example sentences. - Wow. Thanks a lot. Both contain huge amount of what I was looking for. Masz u mnie piwo - I owe you a beer ;)
If you want something that uses kana and kanji you can try the genki series when they use kanji they also use furigana.
@M3gadriel, the way kanji are taught is the same order elementary kids learn them in. This is actually horrible, as we are not the same as elementary kids in that we understand more concepts, so we could learn from easier to write/memorize as opposed to easier meaning.- Well I think is better the way kids learn it because 1.) It's easier to keep track of the Kanji you already know and the ones you need to learn 2.) You can read and use the materials that kids use in school and 3.) Don't they learn the most commonly used Kanji first? So I think it's better than learning less commonly used Kanji.
Also isn't this the way that it's tested on the JLPT? - thats ture, it would be easier to learn it that way, Im not sure how the JLPT stuff works cause Im not currently doing that but I might look at it in the future.
