Someone please help! Okay so I'm learning past tense short forms in my Genki I book… - Feed Post by dominata365

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  dominata365

  *Do wrong

  June 27, 2014 at 3:23am
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  dominata365

  *negative short form

  June 27, 2014 at 3:23am
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  ochetski

  If i'm not mistaken both are correct, but different forms:
  もらえなかった => potential negative past
  もらわなかった => negative past

  June 27, 2014 at 3:51am
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  jimhaku

  I think you are looking up two different words with the same reading.

  June 27, 2014 at 3:55am
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  mog86uk

  ochetski gave the correct answer already. The potential form of もらう is もらえる. This conjugation is the もらえ base form + る. The potential form is treated like an '-eru' ending ichidan verb, so it can be conjugated in the same way to other forms like negative もらえない. But if the question you had to answer was to conjugate もらう to its negative short form, the answer should have just been もらわない, I would have thought.
  
  Here's a couple of links which might help you:
  http://ww8.tiki.ne.jp/~tmath/language/jpverbs/lesson52.htm
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_verb_conjugation#Potential

  June 27, 2014 at 10:44am
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  Kimbo

  I think you need to review your forms/tenses again - your technical terms don't seem to match up to your conjugations.
  もらう - plain (short) (もらいます)
  もらった - plain past (tense) (もらいました)
  もらわない - negative plain (もらいません)
  もらわなかった - negative plain past (もらいませんでした)
  もらえる - plain potential - (もらえます)
  もらえない - potential negative plain (もらえません)
  もらえなかった - plain potential negative past? (もらえませんでした) - was not able to receive?
  
  And yes, when negative, あ > わ.
  
  Perhaps familiarise yourself with the plain/past/te forms, then try potential (able to), volitional (let's do!), causative/passive.
  
  I hope I haven't made any mistakes.

  June 27, 2014 at 11:56pm
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  dominata365

  Thanks you guys!

  June 28, 2014 at 12:37pm