Does Any one know some good learning pattern's for Hirigana? - Feed Post by HorizonUK
Does Any one know some good learning pattern's for Hirigana?
posted by HorizonUK
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I always suggest using stuff like this http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/hiragana-timer.html
it is trial and error but eventually you will understand it. Maybe just do it once or twice a day for about a week and you will remember them all as you get faster at placing the pieces.
Ah okay thank you for the help and advice, it is greatly appreciated!
I like to create q-cards and write down the syllables so that when I pick one up, I have to remember what the syllable is. I put the answer on the back if I happen to forget.
But, if your more of a phone person, I suggest using the app 'KanaFree'. Its a great app that helps you learn hirigana and katakana fast and easy.
I also like the app called 'HJ Lite'.
I'm trying to learn hirigana too. I'm having a hard time with it myself. So hard to remember all 46 of them.
Memrise offers this feuture really nice by repeating them over and over and with mems from other people. I learned both hiragana & katakana in the matter of days
Try to memorize 5-15 characters every couple of hours, repeat them alot practice reading them over time you'll remember them.
Write them, write them, write them! Really can't stress how important that is, especially when it comes to learning kanji.
Are you sure dun4? I written out Hiragana/Katakana when I first started learning, sure it helped a little but I gained nearly all my Hiragana/Katakana literacy from reading constantly. And I've literally only written like 3 Kanji before and can read Kanji at a pretty competant level. I personally think writing is overrated.- I'm trying Memrise but I've finished the entire Hiragana course and now its reviewing me on all 46 characters.
- It depends on what your goals are, but it comes down to "recall" vs "recognition" memory. If you only want to recognize what is written, then you will only need "recognition" memory, and reading can be enough for that. But if you want to be truly fluent, as in being able to communicate your own thoughts, then you need "recall" memory. "Recognition" memory is also developed when you develop "recall" memory, but not so much the other way around. Since writing them will help develop both types of memory (and also speed up your learning compared to recognition alone), then yes you should spend time writing them.
I think some people will find more useful writing Hiragana and Katakana to help them memorizing it meanwhile others will find it unnecessary because reading them over and over would be enough for them. Try and choose what suits you the best ^^ Personnaly I wrote them down. Ganbatte !- Is there perhaps a site such as memrise but instead of typing you should write the answer?
- draw* sorry
- Not that I've seen.
@Z3KEE, On Android there are some decent apps that test you on drawing kana.
"Japanese Kanji Study" is by far the best one I know off. Not only does it teach+test drawing of the 46 hiragana and 46 katakana, but it also does this for 221 kanji radicals and 2,230 kanji! It makes sure you keep to the proper stroke order and correct proportions, with options to show/hide a shadow to trace over the top of:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindtwisted.kanjistudy
"Obenkyo" also has a similar drawing test feature, but the drawing functionality is much more primative than Kanji Study's:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Obenkyo
I assume iPhone must have some similar apps to these. I've never tried to find any programs for PC for drawing kana/kanji though, as drawing with a mouse is pretty tedious and awkward, but maybe if you have a touchscreen or drawing pad on your computer it might be worth looking for a PC program. There probably are programs for PC for this. I think I remember someone posting a link to one a couple of months ago, although it wasn't anywhere near as good as those Android two apps. ^^- I would just like to say a big thank you to everyone that has commented on this post, All of your advice has been taken in and I have been using various methods that you all suggested and have almost learned Hirigana with them. Now I just have to be able to remember the last few symbols and then remember how to write them out.
- @mog86uk, those can be good for those with android. Sadly though I'm on iPhone and haven't found any good hiragana and katakana apps that have writing. seems everything is just match sound to kana.
I recommend a book called "Japanese for Busy People Kana Workbook", it contains very well thought out exercises that will teach you kana very quickly. I literally taught myself kana in a few weeks (years ago).
If you wanna learn recognitioin, kana invaders is good way to go about it http://learnjapanesepod.com/kana-invaders/- @mog86uk i will look into this:)
By far, my favourite is realkana.com... Easy to configure, works on internet-capable devices, and allowed me to learn hiragana in only 3 days of 30 min practice sessions.
You know in elementary school we have sheets to practice writing letters. Scientifically it is proven 7x repetitions you will learn/remember faster. So 7x rep flashcard (visual) x7... Then once you do that with each line of characters then take a brake, ( studying when tiered or till tired is better) Wake up 7x7x study then x7 draw each character in 1 line set till memorised. Dont time yourself and remove predeveloped knowledge that makes you compare to what you are used to in english or at least not as much to absorb the understanding in differences.- befor I found this web page and became a member I did flash cards for 2-3 hours of random words, then I looked up sentence structures and particles last then i was able to say almost everything on the chapters 1-10 in sentences in 3-5 days. I'm not a fast learner I know how to study. Learning phrases takes to long. learn words then gramer then do writing do kanji last but after getting used to how you study words and hiragana/katakana then you combine that with kanji them bam you can learn almost fluent japanese in 3 months or a little less.
- @Celtcetra: easy with the run-on sentences. 43 words in a single sentence isn't just hard to parse/understand, it's also unnecessary. Have you got a source for the 7x claim? Basic skills are quite easy to reach in months, but being able to speak with well-developed grammar and a thorough vocabulary takes years. Fluency does not come quickly and demands practice.
- Outliers, Sub; 20 Hour rule, 10,000 hour, Phone Numbers, Numerology and neural functions (specifically memory) and study's, Trial and error, Structures of multi language studies. Rosetta, Cognitive function studies, the groups of people other than me who have done it, really, the list goes on. You can research yourself or take my word. Chances are you'll find reasons on why i'm wrong. Trying to prove anything to you is unnecessary and asking me to show my credentials doesn't make sense from a nay sayers standpoint. I suggest you ask your computer and teachers then approach the subject first. Don't be rude. Everyone is different but The common person feels things need to be more complicated to simplify.
- I'm not nay-saying, as I'm aware of the subject. Hence asking for the source of a piece of information I'd never encountered. Functional competency is easy to reach in months because you can neglect writing, speaking or whatever parts of a language you don't need. Polyglots don't seem to target thorough mastery (fluency/proficiency) on their X language in Y month quests.
- I am just going to say referring to the post to use flash cards. To respond to you or whom it may concern however there isn't any skipping at all, it's more like the order to learn faster with any language. Rosetta and the history of Japanese language will help see why I ordered below as such. Cognitive addressing is remotely similar which is why SOUND is the foundation of language. Back to the point of speaking Japanese specifically is by using flashcards ( or free program called Anki ) is;
1.) Romanji (know the Japanese alphabet and be able to spell it before katakana, hiragana or kanji (learn kanji last because to Americans or native english speakers it is totally different. Plus from Japanese you can learn Chinese if you want to be polyglot Note the meaning is different if you don't know this already)
2.)Learn random words (single words) Learning sentences are harder on the brain, studies show 7+ times repetitive training you will know words and structure faster by plugging in the grammar. Study 2-3 weeks 150 cards. Romanji front, english back and reverse 7+x both ways. When finished learning Japanese characters replace the romanji. When kanji comes add characters with other Hir/Kata characters (be sure to pick words with similar meaning. Man, Woman, Human being, boy, Girl/Morning, Day Night, evening/Monday, Tuesday etc. So you subconsciously pick up more than one kanji character. Separate kanji flashcards are needed but just this once draw them first 7x. I think 50 are used in japanese)
3.) Particles N1-4 Grammar ( about 1-2 weeks if studying more than 2 hours a day and know how to properly study/take notes)
By this time you should be able to form any basic sentence from "Hi how are you - To being able to "get the idea of what's being said (correctly) Not fluent but you will pop up words in your head plug in grammar and have a slow but accurate response.
4.) Learn the hiragana / katakana which ever looks less intimidating. I do recommend Hiragana 2 lines at a time and a draw sheet like the one in kindergarten schools to write but flashcard everything first. (YOU CAN USE VIDEOS! SONGS HELP THE MOST) :-)
5.) Don't perfect accent unless you're pronouncing Ah as Ay till the time comes to restudy again Usually i find my old class able to read better in japanese then in english so you feel accelerated by this point. Everything is 7x+7x times what you learn new and old. ( that's not hard though but some people unfortunately have a hard time) Keep adding words in flashcards once you can look at the cards in 3 seconds or so and say in japanese wait 3 days to restudy( ANKI Automatically does this But i like physical cards beter).
If you are new here its best to learn the alphabet by song and flash cards first... as far as speaking which you need to understand what your spelling first then you can identify better. But its not to much of a big deal but you will notice trial and error. If not that's just as cool.
All in all You need to practice in person or on skype to get fluent but after 20+ straight hours that you dedicated to studying you can sound confident that people with think you went to school for a year maybe two. I WANT TO MENTION KNOW VERBS LOTS OF THEM! The ending sentences are at least for me a tad bit harder to think of. Mastering isn't fluency. To master you need 10,000 Hours or so which is equivalent to about 2,000 days or almost 6 years of 5 hours per day or less if in Japan speaking all the time etc.
Fluency; is defined as the ability to read with speed, accuracy, and proper expression. In order to understand what they read, children must be able to read fluently whether they are reading aloud or silently. When reading aloud, fluent readers read in phrases and add intonation appropriately.
Are children masters? This would explain your claim on polyglots.
- EDIT: Fuincy isn't the same as mastery. Fluency a requirement of mastery.
- That word vomit was nearly unintelligible and didn't answer my question. How long have you known English? As I say, one can 'learn language X in Y months' by compromising on large portions of proficiency. With logic like this, it's a lot easier to claim 'vacations to Rome are free' when you redefine 'vacation to' as 'looking at pictures of'. It's not the same!
As I've said, functional competency is easy enough to be achieved in a few weeks to a few months. Even hours if you only need to answer questions like "do you have siblings?"
Allowing errors exponentially reduces the time required to learn, but also exponentially reduces the proficiency level attained. Thorough mastery (native-level proficiency) takes years of commitment, regardless of language. - Lol, I see I have entertained you enough. Good luck.
Use anki
