I made it into the 6,000,000+ EXP club. There are only 16 of us here, with a few more on the way… - Feed Post by wigglysquire
I made it into the 6,000,000+ EXP club. There are only 16 of us here, with a few more on the way soon.
posted by wigglysquire
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おめでとう！
well done!! I'm so jealous.
Hmm I dont realy like the exp system because if you make a mistake you will never be able to get the old exp.. Though through makeing mistakes you learn from it. So I rather focus on my own experience then on this site ^^ though still well done :D
Congratulations! I took a look at that first page in the rankings and notice that everyone has extremely high combos - one even has 100,000!!! Now I can see some serious Japanese learners getting some high combos (sometimes with the help of a dictionary) but I'm wondering if those with 10s of thousands of combos aren't perhaps using a bot or are more concerned with a ranking than actually learning Japanese?
Yea I saw the 100,000 and the 10,000 combo. I Don't see how 100,000 is possible.- I think if you know Japanese well enough to get a 100,000 combo then maybe you don't need this site. You could probably practice by reading things like novels and college level textbooks.
Congrats Wiggly!
As for Medyrius, he was pretty proficient at chatting in Japanese on here too. The 100k combo was crazy, but definitely not impossible. He said tried to do 4000 questions a day and that he usually set the Practice settings to "Reverse Vocabulary".
https://japaneseclass.jp/feeds/comment/3834
4000 questions @ 3 seconds per question = just over 3 hours
100,000 combo @ 4000 questions per day = 25 days
What's more scary though is that he reached 10 million EXP back when there were only six levels. He hasn't answered a single lv7 or 8 question ...yet. If Medyrius decides to come back and does lv7 and 8, then he will easily fly past me to at least 13 million EXP! xD- Wow I never thought about it like that. I was doing reverse vocabulary early on to easily rack up points but then I started getting an unequal amount of questions that were only giving me one point so I stopped. I think I will try that strategy again and see what I can do.
- Thanks Mog and Wiggly. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that this site will keep asking you a certain word until you get it right about six times in a row. If this is the case I prefer to get some questions wrong if I really don't know it so it will keep coming back to me until I start to get it consistently right. For hugely high combos one would already have to already be fluent or be using a dictionary. Using a dictionary isn't good because you're overriding the purpose of the site which is to actually learn Japanese vocabulary, not just get a high combo.
As for me, I speak Japanese pretty well but I'm finding that I don't know a lot of words here in level six. Often it is easy to guess among the choices but I need to be able to pull the word out of my brain in conversation so prefer the reinforcement until I know the word very well. I also noticed that some with high rankings/combos didn't even do most of the lessons which confuses me further.
I think a true test of ability would be setting a time limit of say five seconds so there is no time to look things up. You either know it or you don't.
Anyway, just my two cents. I love this site and like the social aspect as well. The attendance motivates me to practice daily, otherwise I don't think I'd be practicing at all. I don't have the motivation to actually block off time, open a book and study these days, so this site is excellent. - @Wiggly, I don't know if I'd agree that Reverse Vocabulary is the easiest of the three modes to not make any mistakes on.
Vocabulary (both normal and reverse) is very good at catching you out with two answers that might be correct, where you will have to read all four answer choices for every question and will have to make sure to read the full text of the questions and answers. The chances of even a person fluent in both Japanese and English reaching 100k without being caught out by this is extremely unlikely, unless they are meticulously careful about every single question.
Kanji questions on the other hand are different: only one single answer is correct and the other three are definitely wrong. If the first answer choice looks correct, you can click it straight away without even checking the other choices. The only very big downside is that there are a lot of questions that are more of a test of your eyesight than your Japanese—the questions where the only difference between the correct answer and one of the others is that one has a kana with ゛and the other has that kana with a ゜.
I would still say that the Kanji question type is the safest one to try to get a high combo with. For a start, you can get around the eyesight problem by zooming in. Vocabulary questions are almost certainly going to catch you out at some point with two correct looking answer choices. ^^ - @Matto, I personally did not really use the lessons feature much. I especially avoided using them when I found out that doing the tests has a detrimental effect on your maximum uncapped EXP. But even before that I didn't really make use of them either.
I used Practice in a trial-and-error manner. Before I came to this site I had already been learning some Japanese elsewhere. I kept getting lots of questions wrong, but learned from all my mistakes and tried to see paterns.
In the time before level 7 and 8 had arrived I had used Slime Forest Adventure to memorise the meanings and a lot of readings of all the 1,945 kanji in the pre-2010 常用 kanji list. I had also learnt a lot about general rules of 音読み and 訓読み, such as what readings are even possible in which. So when level 7 and 8 arrived, I could figure out nearly every question even if I'd never learnt the word or didn't know the exact reading of the kanji in it. I just used my logic based on the data, rules, and patterns that I already knew.
I can (or at least "should be able to") get very high combos, as I've answered every question on the site at least 35 times (many in the range of 100~400 times!). There's only so many times you can get a question wrong without learning from the mistake. And once you've answered the same questions that many times, you can click the answers almost immediately with little effort at all.
I mess around too much with trying to answer really fast or using my typing mod with a crazy new keyboard layout I've started learning. I'm not really meticulous and patient enough to get extremely high combos, as I'll be listening to loud fast-paced music and answering questions in a way I find fun, not slowly and carefully. - To some extent I like that idea about having a time limit on answering questions. But I think it would make things too difficult for beginners who need to think carefully and study all the questions and choices.
For me I don't think 5 seconds per question would have any effect, exept I don't know how it would work if you decide to go make a coffee or change video on Youtube when doing Practice though. I guess if I have to type a really long answer on my complicated keyboard layout, it might take me over 5 seconds not to finish the answer without any typos, lol. :P
Beeant actually talked about having a timer for questions back when this version of JCJP was in beta stage. ^^ - @mog
How do the lesson tests have a detrimental effect on your exp? I also haven't done very many of them and was planning on doing them after most of the practice questions are only giving me 1 point. - And about the practice combos, I'll be happy with at least 10,000. That's my goal. Doing things like setting goals for exp and combos keeps me motivated. I still stop and look at the example sentences for words that I don't know how to use.
- Has "a detrimental effect on your maximum uncapped EXP", because you are spending 1 of your 29 chances of earning uncapped EXP on those questions in Lessons where combo bonus does not apply.
So, if you correctly answer a level 8 kanji question in the lessons, you get 14 EXP (the base EXP for lv8 kanji items). Say that was the first time you answered that correctly, you are now on "1 correct: 0 wrong" for that question. You could have got 140 EXP if you'd had a 100+ combo (x10 combo exp bonus) with answering it in the Practice feature. Say you then correctly answer that question 28 times all in the Practice feature, you will then be reached "29 correct: 0 wrong" on this item. Then, the next time you answer it, the exp you will receive will be capped to 1 EXP regardless of your combo bonus.
So, in this scenario you would have missed out on 126 EXP due to answering it that first time in the Lesson test (rather than with a 10x combo bonus in the Practice feature). To make up for that missed 126 EXP, you will now have to answer that question correctly an extra 126 times to make up for that decision!
The situation used to be much worse a year ago though, because it used to be capped to 0 EXP rather than 1 EXP... So at least you can now get back that missed uncapped EXP ...if you put in an insane amount of effort. :P
Here's my calculation of the total uncapped EXP you can earn for the 4,185 questions in the Practice feature, if you never make a single mistake and never use up any of your 29 chances in the Lessons:
12,599,054 EXP
A long time ago (up until about a year before I joined) there was no 29 correct answers limit and there were no caps on EXP. This issue only came into existence with the EXP cap, which was introduced with the intention of detering people from using a bug to cheat. That bug was fixed by the time this version of JCJP was released (afaik, which was around 3 years ago) but the EXP cap stayed.
It might be a good thing in some way, as long as people don't think too mathematically about it or care at all about competing for the highest ranks. But I still think there could be another maybe better system for it. - A bigger issue is probably how to deal with competition and EXP now that Practice uses an SRS learning system. With SRS you don't really want to be reviewing the same item before it's due date too much, but you need to answer lots of questions to earn EXP to rank up (and for fun).
None of any of this matters if people don't care about competition and EXP. Learning Japanese is obviously by far the most important aspect. But then if no one were supposed to care about EXP and ranking, then those things wouldn't be there in the first place. :P - @mog - I'm thrilled that Slime Forest is still around! I found that many years ago and had thought it was very obscure game in the dark reaches of the internet nobody knew about. I couldn't believe I'd found an adventure game to learn Japanese!! Just think if they could make a Japanese learning game as addicting as Warcraft and with incredible graphics. I'd want to practice Japanese all day! I only played Slime Forest for about two days then lost interest.
- @Matto, It is probably even more obscure now than it was back then. Developement on it was picking up a couple of years ago, where we were getting updates every couple of weeks again. But then suddenly Darrell lost a fair bit of the code in a hard drive failure, with no backups of most recent versions at all, and later also had health issues for a while. I owe a lot to Slime Forest for the huge leap in kanji recognition I gained using it. But sadly, very few people seem to know about it or play it.
I only played for a few days and lost interest the first couple of times I tried playing it. But then a couple of years later I tried it again and was addicted to trying to clear all kanji, the touch typing trainers, and all the grammar sub-games. I did recognition of all 1,972 kanji by their meaning keywords in under 3 months of playing it regularly, along with also learning several hundred of their readings. ^^
I think the graphics are perfectly fine, except that maybe the scrolling motion could be made a bit more fluid. A lot of the humour wouldn't make sense if it were not a cheesy classic 2D RPG style game.
It is definitely a very niche kind of game though. I can understand why a lot of people wouldn't appreciate it and just take one glance at it before thinking it sucks, especially 90s~00s generation kids who didn't grow up with this style of game. Figuring out where to go will probably be difficult for people not used to old style 2D RPG's and they'll probably give up quickly if they get stuck rather than talking to all the NPC's to figure it out. A lot of people care heavily about graphics and can't get on with how it doesn't have any audio, or they don't like how it requires lots of typing on a keyboard and would rather use a touch screen or mouse. I also think it's not very suitable for people who aren't very fluent in English, as they'll probably have trouble comprehending the keywords and mnemonics the way they're intended. - @Matto, I definitely recommend giving it another shot or two, as I didn't appreciate it that much the first couple of times I tried it. ^^
@mog that's exactly what I'm doing to used_naved, no lessons and no wrongs permitted so if I do the practice there more slowly and if I'm unsure I refresh the page or wait later to get a different question
and about the exp cap, if you have correctly answered 29 in a row then you intentionally make your next answer wrong, will it reset back to 0 and you can get the exp back from 0 again? or if you correctly answer again after the wrong you still get 1 exp on normal or even on combos?
After you get the 30th correct answer for each question then after that the same question will only give 1 EXP. Total unfair if you ask me.
Yes- @mog
wow I'm glad I didn't do too many of the lessons. Thanks for the tip!
@devan_desu I'm pretty sure it doesn't reset anything if you get it wrong. - yes it is unfair we have talked about it long ago :( beeant please change these and add lv9
